I think the difference is that in wrestling everyone knows they are fakes

In politics everyone pretends to be genuine. Phony Tony was the master of the game, but half the MP's proved to be on the take as well.

Well, it can't be anything because it doesn't even exist ..... Yeah, musta been real huge.....so huge and serving so many customers they had to close it to keep the crowds down.....


http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Location/FindCounty.htm

So what! I remember we always called it Totowa because it was in the area of Two Guys Dept Store, which hasn't been in existence for 28 years. But the DMV is still there, it just happens to be on the Wayne side of the border. But the DMV I mistakenly called Totowa is the same DMV I am talking about.

Wayne
481 Route 46 West
Wayne, New Jersey 07470

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Okay.....That makes perfect sense now!!! Even though each of the counties you mentioned has 2 MVC centers per county, and Essex county has a Newark office, which is one of the largest cities in NJ. But if you say Wayne is the busiest, I guess you're right!!!
So does that mean if I say the earth is flat, you'll believe me???

While c.r is unavailable I post a story that will really please all those who pay their taxes.Another one of those You Have To Be Mad To Live Here Stories about car parking fines.
Councils sue themselves

During a trial, an error such as mistaking the name of the town of Wayne for Totowa, I would present a motion requesting the Judge to make an outcome determination. The judge would review the facts as presented, since I gave the highway locations of 23, 46, and 80, explained the surrounding area such as Willowbrook Mall, Essex, Pasaic, and Morris counties and how they all relate to the DMV in contention, the Judge would make an outcome determination analysis. The purpose of the outcome analysis is to determine if the mistaken location of Totowa and for Wayne would have a material impact on the outcome of the hearing.

I would argue that mistaking the name of the town would not have an impact of the final decision. If you agree, the judge would rule the trial will proceed and the issue cannot be raised again, even on appeal.

If you disagree with the judge’s outcome analysis conclusion, the judge will make a decision if the issue should be further argued before the jury, if you can present a compelling argument the mistaken location is material and your position would be prejudiced to proceed without settling it before the jury. If the judge rejects your argument, he will make the decision the trial is to proceed that the mistaken location of the DMV was not material, but note that you objected to the decision in the official court record, and the trial will proceed to its full conclusion. At the conclusion of the trial, the judge will instruct the jury that they are to make a decision based upon the facts presented at the trial, they are to decide the facts based on the judge’s outcome determination analysis that the location was not a material error, and may not consider the location mistake a material error in reaching their final decision based on the facts.

When then jury reaches their decision, and the decision is not in your favor because you believed the location was a material fact, you may raise the issue as part of your appeal because the judge’s procedural error that prejudiced the outcome of the case.

If the judge decides the outcome analysis shows the mistaken location is a material fact, I can object, and the judge will note the objection in the official court record so I can raise the issue on appeal if the jury decision goes against me. However, if I agree with the judge at trial the outcome analysis that the location was a material error, and I agree, I may not raise the issue as part of my appeal because I agreed with the judge’s outcome determination the location was a material error and the jury had to decide the issue.

The location is not material because people who live in Bloomfield, Nutley, Glen Ridge, Little Falls, Montclair, Verona, Cedar Grove, Caldwell, North Caldwell, East Orange West Orange, Verona, Essex Fells, Roseland, Millburn, Short Hills, Karney, and Bellville all towns in Essex County are within minutes of the Wayne DMV and much easier to access and safer than going to Newark and East Orange DMV.

If you wish to associate with the Flat Earth Society as a member, or believe the earth is flat and not be a member, that is your First Amendment Right, and you should be provided full protection to assemble, say what you want, and believe whatever illiberal dogma you wish, but it does not protect you from the consequences of your follies.

yeah but we are really all just a part of a large scale reality show instigated by aliens....bloke in pub told me. so it must be true.

G

another good thread bites the dust with the political invaders

Sorry G,I meant to say "investigated"

Everyone can keep track of the latest alien investigations here.

http://ettracker.com/

The cover everything from implants, abductions, sightings, photos, videos, and the latest investigations ....

c.r.
How are the council taxes used to pay these 'enforcers' resulting in them being paid more than regular police ?
Is this George Galloway territory ?
Story

One American decided to launch his own personal invasion on the IRS. I do not agree with his tactics, but some people may feel differently.

Attack on IRS part of long line of tax protesters
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – Joseph Stack's methods were unthinkable — he is accused of ramming a plane into an Internal Revenue Service building in Texas — but his views on taxation follow a long line of protesters who believe tax laws don't apply to them.

While their numbers aren't large, according to experts, their arguments are so enticing that the IRS has published a guide to debunk their claims. In 2008, the Justice Department was concerned enough to start the "National Tax Defier Initiative" to better coordinate prosecutions.

"You would think a little light bulb would go on in their head and they would say, 'Why in the heck is everybody else paying taxes?'" said Peter R. Zeidenberg, a former federal prosecutor who is now a litigation partner at the law firm DLA Piper in Washington. "There are people who are peddling this stuff. It's a way to get people to believe something that's too good to be true."
A 3,000-word manifesto posted on a Web site registered in Stack's name rails against the IRS and accuses the agency of ruining his life. Stack's bitter feud with the IRS apparently drove him to commit suicide Thursday by slamming his single-engine Piper PA-28 into an Austin office building where the IRS has offices.

Stack's writings suggest he was part of a loosely organized movement that stretches back to at least the 1950s. Some believe the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which authorizes Congress to levy income taxes, was not legally ratified; it was ratified in 1913.

Others believe that paying taxes is purely voluntary. Still others believe in fictional loopholes that would exempt large groups of Americans from paying taxes if they were only in on the secret.
Believers aren't limited to anti-government militia members living off the land out West. Stack was a 53-year-old software engineer in Austin. Other followers include movie star Wesley Snipes and a decorated police detective in the nation's capital.

"They're fairly prevalent," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups. "We've had a right wing tax protest movement going back several decades now. They were very hot in the 1990s, but they are very much still out there."

The center has documented five plots against the IRS or its agents since 1995, including one that year to blow up an IRS office in Austin. Potok said he was unsure if it was the same building Stack crashed the plane into.

In 2006, a Utah man was accused of threatening IRS employees with "death by firing squad" if they continued to try to collect taxes from him and his wife. The man, David D'Addabbo, pleaded guilty to one charge of threatening a government agent and was sentenced to five months already served.

Not all tax protesters resort to violence.

Snipes, star of the "Blade" trilogy and other films, was convicted on tax charges and sentenced to three years in prison in 2008 after claiming that Americans have no obligation to pay taxes and the IRS cannot legally collect them. The detective in Washington, D.C., Michael Irving, got a 14-month prison sentence last year after prosecutors said he fraudulently arranged for the police department to stop withholding taxes from his paychecks.

"Most of us are respectfully fearful of the IRS. Most people understand their authority," said Matthew J. Campione, a former IRS lawyer who is now a tax law specialist at the law firm of SmolenPlevy in Vienna, Va. "But you have people who are gullible, you have people who engage in wishful thinking, you have some people who are struggling to make ends meet."

In the letter on Stack's Web site, which has since been removed, Stack said he had gone to "tax code readings and discussions" where he learned about "wonderful 'exemptions' that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy." He said an attempt to claim similar exemptions inevitably cost him $40,000 and "10 years of my life."

He also complained about a 1986 change in the tax law that made it harder for engineers like himself to claim certain deductions as independent contractors, rather than salaried employees. One year, Stack wrote, he didn't file a tax return, "thinking that because I didn't have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed."

The head of the union representing IRS workers said federal employees are too often targeted with threats or violence for simply doing their jobs.

"This incident brings to light an ongoing concern that the atmosphere in our nation debases and denigrates the work of federal employees and contributes to such actions," said Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. "Too often, frustration with policies or politics takes the form of attacks on public servants, which is never justified and can contribute to misguided rage against federal workers."

The IRS has a Web site called, "Don't Fall for These Frivolous Arguments." Among them are:

_False claim: The filing and paying of tax is voluntary. IRS response: "The term voluntary compliance means that each of us is responsible for filing a tax return when required and for determining and paying the correct amount of tax."

_False claim: Wages, tips, and other compensation are not income because there is no taxable gain when a person "exchanges" labor for money. IRS response: "Congress has determined that all income is taxable unless specifically excluded by some part of the Code."

_False claim: Forming a business trust to hold your income and assets will avoid taxes. A family estate trust will allow you to reduce or eliminate your tax liability. IRS response: "Establishing a trust, foreign or domestic, for the sole purpose of hiding your income and assets from taxation is illegal and will not absolve you of your tax liability."
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On the Web:
IRS frivolous claims: http://tinyurl.com/yd54y6n

Southern Poverty Law Center: http://www.splcenter.org

I read his 'manifesto' before it was pulled. He blamed everything that went wrong in his life on everyone else. wingnut. and a whiner, whinger...which is worse!

Take your pick: The B movie actor or the drunk and stupid Yale graduate.

sadly people like stack will get laughed at, but to many people believe bullshit before the truth. i wouldnt take my life as i would rather fight the bastards.

still, people believe what the irs tell them. the IRS is not anything to do with america, none of the alphabet gangs have anything to do with america other than rip you off and inslave you. people pay tax because they are scared of gangs not because they really want to pay tax.

the tax system was set up to protect the banksters and nothing else, there was a secret meeting held on jeckyll island in 1911. this meeting would see an act passed that would take tax off the slaves in america (the working person) and protect any loses that the banks incurred, it protects them to this day. people have been brainwashed to believe tax is a good thing, it is pure evil. go check what president woodrow wilson said himself after the act was passed. sorry folks, anyone who believes income tax is lawful has been brainwashed, and i say that in the nicest way.

here is the three main parts on earth that matter.......

city of london.......not part of britain.......ruled by money

city of the vatican.......not part of italy.....religion

washington dc.......not part of america........military

this triangle rules the world and keeps us all enslaved.