Agreed. This guy believed a group of "tax advisors" who told him that they were smarter than 200 million other people, and convinced him he could avoid paying taxes without consequences.

Just as Wesley Snipes believed a group of "tax advisors" who told him that they were smarter than 200 million other people, and convinced him he could avoid paying taxes without consequences.

Just as Ed and Elaine Brown here in NH believed a group of "tax advisors" who convinced them that they were smarter than 200 million other people, and told them they could avoid paying taxes without consequences.

Why is it that none of these "tax advisors" are ever punished for dodging their taxes? Easy. Because they DO pay their own taxes, while at the same time advising others not to.

They know full well they are wrong, and quietly pay THEIR OWN taxes behind the scenes while publicly advising others to stop paying taxes and get in trouble. If they actually beleived their own advice, they would actually do what they continually urge other people to do.

They're not smarter than 200 million people, they're only smarter than the few fools who take their advice and get burned.

Justin
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why would anyone listen to a tax adviser? does the queen pay tax, they will tell you she does bit she doesnt, well there is no proof to say she does.

how about the drug dealing bush family, the royal family also have a history in drug dealing. people will be made to look bad by tax advisers in the hope it scares everyone. what would happen if everyone in america stopped paying tax, the army would move in and start shooting you, thats what.

now its a fact that income tax is robbing honest working people who have been brainwashed into paying. if someone wakes up to this, they get thrown in jail because the bankers have to be protected at all cost.

far to many people suffer from semmelwies reflex. once that is cured then so will income tax.

income tax is robbery of the slaves.

Its a fact of life that none of us on this board make enough money so we do not have to pay taxes. Its no secret that ultra affluent have the means to influence the passage of tax laws that favor their avoidance of taxes.

Basically we are too small to succeed in the eyes of the wealthiest 1 tenth of 1% of the world's population.

Back in the mid 80s I was in taxation; specifically tax fraud. My case load only dealt with companies in the Fortune 50 and high net worth individuals. One of my investigations was Robert Maxwell. When I completed my investigation Department of Justice came in and stopped the proceedings against him because he was a sacred cow to the Reagan/Bush Administration. I left tax knowing and realizing I not supposed to do a good job and really find something that would stick against the politically affluent criminals of our society who buy laws to meet their needs.

That's why I put it in quotes. They aren't tax advisors, they're just people going around spouting "advice" trying to convince other people that tax laws are not enforeceable.

But when their own the tax bill arrives, these "experts" are too scared to follow their own advice. They quietly pay their income taxes, property taxes, or council taxes along with the rest of us, and just pretend that they don't.

Justin
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Thank god I'm PAYE so I don't have any say in what the robbers take off me

c.r.
With the utilities companies,particularly gas suppliers,charging far more than they should and making vast profits,should I refuse to pay the bills ?
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How many people/organisations/systems should I fight before I just give up ? Will any one join me in a protest ? It is more of a rip-off than anything else,in way of taxes.

I believe Schiff actually is in jail. As are Snipes' "advisors", or at least the idiots that went to trial with him. He should be in jail too, since he tried to make his employees follow the same crap and not have him pay payroll taxes for them. Morons!

We all, I assume, utilise public services. If not by taxation these are paid for how?

Can't you rely on other people to pay your share, as with train tickets? It seems to work for some.

Sadly I never got the hang of this and always seem to pay my way

thunderclap,

you do what you want, i pay for things i buy or need. income tax is a con as is council tax.

people believe the federal reserve is a bank, really? people believe the bank of england belongs to the people of great britain, really? these private cartels are owned by the same people who control the media, and these same people keep most people brainwashed. if everyone who disagrees with paying income tax is considered an idiot or any other names i have been called, then im an idiot.

but remember one thing, the next generation of our kids will be picking up national debts they wont be able to afford. the houses we leave them will be taken back off them, and they will be taxed at around 80%. our generation are doing nothing but calling each other names. i really believe the generations of kids born after the second world war are amoungst the most pathetic in history, we have not fought for one thing to leave future generations.

in scotland alone im disgusted at how the scots are nothing but cowards, this is not the scottish people i read about in history books. scotland was one country you didnt want to mess with unless you could out number us by 4 to 1. today you could stroll through scotland dressed like boy george waiving a feather duster and most scots would run for cover.

im glad to say im not one of those scots.

CR

I still struggle to understand how public services are paid for without some form of taxation. It is folly to imagine that somehow market forces will persuade someone to build new roads. Even less likely that someone would maintain them.

In San Francisco we'd think the parade was about to start!

how funny , and true .

mac,

public sevices are paid for by some kind of taxation, they have to be. but they (council/government) have nice tricks to play, and we just pay pay pay.

what pays for hospitals, where does the money come from? it aint from income tax.

we need to wake up folks, the working man/woman is in serious trouble.

The right wing-nuttery has gone too far ...

'Sovereign Citizens' Claim Immunity From Ind., Federal Law
State Sees Uptick In People Claiming To Be Diplomats Living In Embassies


INDIANAPOLIS -- Fed up and fired up, an increasing number of Indiana residents who have lost confidence in the government are going to extreme measures to claim they are "sovereign citizens."

By doing so, residents contend that they no longer have to pay taxes, claiming their homes as embassies and using identification cards that show them as diplomats, 6News' Rafael Sanchez reported.

Indiana authorities call such proclamations both illegitimate and illegal. About 10 people every month ask the state to put a seal on a document so that they can claim freedom from taxes.
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There are plenty of American flags draped on homes along U.S. 36, a road that leads to the home of Donald Moore, who claims to be a diplomatic agent and ambassador -- a mark of a so-called sovereign citizen.

Moore, a father of seven, and his wife invited 6News to their home, but decided not to appear on camera.

Moore is equipped with an official looking identification card and a badge, which he said means United States law doesn't apply to him.

"It gives me diplomatic immunity," Moore said, referring to the ID card. "The way I understand it, the federal government is incorporated, and all the states are incorporated. This takes me out of the corporation."

Moore and others said they draw their beliefs from the Bible and U.S. Constitution. Moore said all that has to be done to be exempt from U.S. laws is to file documents available online with the Secretary of State.

Many claim that the statements within the papers they provide are enforceable because of a state seal placed on the material, but in reality, that seal is placed on any number of documents and doesn't make what's on the documents true.

Secretary of State Todd Rokita said he's troubled that people use self-made ID cards that show his name and the state emblem in an attempt to open bank accounts, buy items tax free and board airplanes.

"Just because you allege something or concoct yourself a document doesn't mean you're getting off the hook," Rokita said. "You're going to get in worse trouble."

Jonathan Dilley is serving a nearly four-year sentence in federal prison for using his sovereign citizen paperwork.

Last year, Dilley was convicted after making and presenting his own promissory notes to pay off more than $800,000 of debt.

Another so-called sovereign citizen, Brad Henry, said he loves America, but is fed up with government in general.

"I don't have any rights you don't. You just don't have the guts to stand up for yours," Henry said, when questioned about the authenticity of documents.

Henry said he doesn't mind paying sales taxes, but won't pay property taxes. He asked Delaware County officials to exempt him from annual bills because he considers his house to be an embassy. The county denied the request.

Embassies are where officials from other countries work. They must be recognized by the U.S. Department of State to be legitimate.

In all of Indiana, only three people, all workers at the Mexican Consulate in Indianapolis, have real diplomatic plates and the privileges that accompany them, officials said.

Some so-called sovereign citizens refuse to use state-issued licenses or plates. When they're pulled over, police said they often show an ID that says no one can delay, detain or arrest them without facing damages of $2 million, Sanchez reported.

"We are people who love our organic United States of America, the way it was found and meant to be, and are trying to preserve that," Henry said.

Indiana is not the only state seeing an uptick in sovereign citizens. In February, four men were convicted in Missouri for buying and selling fraudulent credentials related to the movement.

In March 2009, federal authorities arrested four men in Las Vegas in a similar operation.

Some people are paying between $900 and $2,100 to become members of a sovereign citizens group.

State and federal revenue departments said they couldn't reveal any information about whether they are investigating anyone claiming to be a sovereign citizen and refusing to pay taxes in Indiana.

The U.S. Department of State said that only people on its list are considered diplomats. Moore and Henry are not on that list.

Indiana State Police said vehicles without legal plates will be towed and that owners will be ticketed for any offense.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/22729218/detail.html


What is a 'Sovereign Citizen'?

The ideas of the "sovereign citizens" movement originate in the ideology of the Posse Comitatus, an anti-Semitic group that raged through the Midwest in the late 1970s and 1980s. Sovereign citizens claim that they are not subject to most taxes, are not citizens of the United States (but instead are "non-resident aliens"), cannot be tried for crimes in which there is no complaining victim (zoning and professional licensing violations, for instance), and are only subject to "common law courts," a sort of people's tribunal with no lawyers. Most refuse to obtain Social Security cards, register their vehicles, carry driver's licenses or use zip codes; many refer to UCC-107, a part of the Uniform Commercial Code, to justify their bizarre claims; and some use weird forms of punctuation between their middle and last names in all kinds of documents. Sovereign citizens also often distinguish between so-called "14th Amendment citizens," who are subject to federal and state governments, and themselves, who are also known as "organic citizens" — an ideology that causes adherents to claim that black people, who only became legal citizens when the 14th Amendment was passed after the Civil War, have far fewer rights than whites. Some of the more famous adherents of sovereign citizens ideology include Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols and members of the Montana Freemen.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... -a-soverei